Unncessary Legislation from iqbalanas's blog

Can someone please tell me why it is unlawful in US and Canada to conduct polygamy. To me, it makes no sense. Aren't their special interest groups out there to abolish this unnecessary law?


To some extent, I can understand if the parliament does not want to consider the second spouse with regards to rules around child benefits, taxation etc. but having a law that prohibits polygamy seems so unnecessary.


Religiously speaking, polygamy is allowed in Islam and probably also allowed in other religions at least Christianity.


It seems like doing the right thing is frowned upon but the state does not find any problem with having strip clubs sand brothels.


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DanSmith
Jul 1
I can't speak for Canada. The USA generally has different state laws around it, but I would assume that either state or federally laws are most mostly influenced because of Western Christianity culture. It's not a knock against it, but most Americans in the past considered anything outside of "one man, one woman" to be immoral. So I imagine it's generally just tradition for the most part.

In Utah, they made special laws around not just polygamy but against cohabitation. Most, if not all, sects of religious communities that practice polygamy don't attempt to get legal marriages since it's obviously against the law. Most couples or families would get "spiritual" marriages between themselves. It doesn't have any legal bearing so it wouldn't cause friction with current laws. However, the LDS church didn't like that in Utah and specifically had laws setup around cohabitation so they could go after polygamous families that the law wouldn't normally reach. Since they weren't in violation of normal marriage laws, they made a way to do it. It's interesting to me because the LDS church and their early leaders after coming to Utah made it a general practice.

You'll probably hear something different official from the church, but I've seen and heard numerous activists that are responsible for the laws on the books now and they all claimed their passion for the LDS church and making sure that the LDS church was removed from polygamy as much as possible. The LDS church doesn't condone it and wants it's members do have nothing to do with it. Its sad to me that they try to persecute those that have different religious beliefs. If you don't want your members to life a certain lifestyle, I suppose that's your choice... but to make regulations against how other people can live their life, that a I have a problem with.

I find that most special interest groups are hypocritical regarding marriage. They might be for same-sex marriage, but don't really care about the plight of having other laws. I personally don't really care if they make polygamy, same-sex marriage, etc., legal or not. I just think it shouldn't be against the law to live the way that you wish.

I really just wish that the government (federal and state) just got out of the marriage business period. Things would be easier if it wasn't legislated. The government can't make illegal or illegitimate any promises that I have made to one woman, or to several of them, if we're building a family and committing before each other and God that we're going to build a family and make it work.

Anyway, my two cents!
I can't speak for Canada. The USA generally has different state laws around it, but I would assume that either state or federally laws are most mostly influenced because of Western Christianity cultur...See more
vegemite
Sep 8
Polygamy is persecuted because when done correctly, with solid lifelong marriages, multiple children and large extended families, is a direct threat to the state.
yannlion
Sep 17
The origin of all of that reside in the facts that the "State" wants to regulate "union" - it is from Western culture (in the USA and Europe) and so called Christian teaching. but in facts, it is stranger to the Bible (that polygamy is forbidden, via enforcing monogamy - and that the State rules over mariage) and has its origin in Roman Laws (much of so called Christian teachings come from Pagan Rome. For Romans (and many aristocracies later) mariage was a business contract (real estate, assets, political power, etc...) and monogamy was enforced so the assets could'nt be splitted or argued by other families than the ones making the deal. Polygamy is not good for aristocratic building of assets and political power (when society is organized on a pyramidal aristocratic structure like Rome and following European powers) so forbiding of polygamy and enforcing State controlled mariage comes from Rome and are followed by aristocraty or oligarchy structured society. In a real Democracy (not the so-called "Party", but a society where the people rule, by the people, with the people) such State controlled mariage is not necessary - then each local gathering of people would decide what they want.The origin of all of that reside in the facts that the "State" wants to regulate "union" - it is from Western culture (in the USA and Europe) and so called Christian teaching. but ...See more
vegemite
Sep 18
All rulers have a desire to regulate the behaviour of their subjects, towards the ruler's objectives.
yannlion
Sep 19
Not just rulers, but all humans, towards other humans and all Nature.
yannlion
Sep 19
So it is important to not comdemn natural traits (which you cannot erase) but to seek a proper balance of natural traits within a group.
yannlion
Sep 19
Space to grow (these natural needs) and boundaries to have a peaceful relationship within the group. It is natural to want to influence others toward what you think is better. On the negative side, as you noticed it becomes dominating. So the point is not the natural trait, but what is the space and boundaries.Space to grow (these natural needs) and boundaries to have a peaceful relationship within the group. It is natural to want to influence others toward what you think is better. On the negative side, as...See more
yannlion
Sep 19
Thus the rules. The structure is what need to be define.Structure A brings about effects A, Structure B effects B. The Evil Ones don't rule by chance, but because the structure obeyed by all humans produced a fertilized ground to bread and develop Evil Ones and hand them the ruler seat. So really the issue is nit simply the Evil Ones but US, the people who follow the predefined protocol (rules) why are we not learning? Why are we not writing the rules? What are the tools making happen the Structure? What is the propaganda teaching making us believe fairy tales? Thinking we know but are still blind... We are the issue, more than the evil ones (their psychopathies are quite common when human have power)Thus the rules. The structure is what need to be define.Structure A brings about effects A, Structure B effects B. The Evil Ones don't rule by chance, but because the structure obeyed by all humans pr...See more
yannlion
Sep 19
To change we more need to understand why most humans are obeying slaves? What are the tools, and mechanism mentally enslaving us? Which tools do we need to develop our own rules (structure) so as to help grow a liberty nourishing soace and get us out of the labyrinth of willingful enslavement. Do you think 1% have a magical power to dominate 99%? Nope, some how the 99% submit themselves to the 1%. The key is to understand why and how, then build the tools to construct a protected space to heal the 99% of that submission. I have learned the causes of causes and today we have the tools - now I am building with others the space of healing so people will become liberated adults making their own common rules.Really, WE are the issue and the key. It depends on US (the evil ones are peanuts in reality, we are the ones obeying and carrying out their madness - so many facts to demonstrate it.To change we more need to understand why most humans are obeying slaves? What are the tools, and mechanism mentally enslaving us? Which tools do we need to develop our own rules (structure) so as to h...See more
vegemite
Sep 19
Yes agreed in general, the problem being people's willingness to be enslaved. The preference for security over freedom. The disinterest in thinking. I cannot see this changing, at least in a hurry. Look at the embrace of spying devices (Alexa etc). Democracy being the trick whereby people are distracted by political circus to believe they somehow are shaping their own destiny rather than being channeled into someone else's agenda.Yes agreed in general, the problem being people's willingness to be enslaved. The preference for security over freedom. The disinterest in thinking. I cannot see this changing, at least in a hurry. Lo...See more
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